Prime Arcee is about 15 feet tall if I recall correctly. Similarly, Silverbolt (a Concorde jet) is dramatically undersized compared to his fighter-jet Aerialbot teammates. Toys at the lowest price points usually include "mini" or "micro" in their name. He preferred instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing Sideways. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limited the choice of altmodes. Most fans agree that one must either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to explain these problems and in the process fanwank themselves into oblivion. The Deluxe Cheetor, on the other hand, was too small to match scales with most of the other toys (again, using the cartoon as a yardstick). That said, most cinematic series within Transformers have official scale charts for creators to work with. There have been a few toy lines that attempt to address this weirdness and try to present scale in a much more consistent manner, however though issues still pop up in virtually every one. The characters with roleplay altmodes such as Generation 1 Megatron, Soundwave, Perceptor, or Armada Laserbeak are scaled to be real-world human-scale (well, kid-scale). In the ensuing confrontation, Silas is fatally injured, forcing MECH to graft him into Breakdown. Conversely, the traditionally stunted Bumblebee is marginally too tall and bulky to be in correct scale to his otherwise fairly accurate core teammates, assuming one includes Voyager Optimus and Leader Bulkhead in their lineup. The Mini-Cons of the Unicron Trilogy are another race of small robots who stand approximately the same height as humans and, like the Micromasters before them, are clearly modeled to carry passengers. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Arato Kato, character animation for "Hard Knocks". Transformers fiction commonly shrinks or inflates characters, relative to their toy sizes. Then again, the vehicles pose even more problems: Prowl, who still sports car kibble, rides a motorcycle, Wheeljack (who used to transform into a car himself) drives a sports car, and Optimus Prime steers a massive 18-wheeler truck, despite his own chest still being the front end of a truck cab. Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye series of bio comics tried to explain this for characters such as Astrotrain and Broadside by saying they're able to expand themselves to increase cargo space in vehicle mode, though their armor becomes thinner as it is spread out more. A vaguely similar explanation appeared in Dreamwave's More than Meets the Eye encyclopedia. Skyquake is slightly taller than Prime. The vehicle modes were (supposedly) Cybertronian vehicles which also helped ignore vehicle-mode scale issues. Conversely, the Kmart exclusive Dark of the Moon "Autobot Daredevil Squad" multi-pack couples a redeco of the original Revenge of the Fallen version of Sam with a redeco of Revenge of the Fallen Deluxe Class Cannon Bumblebee, resulting in a large human with a small Chevrolet Camaro he couldn't possibly fit into even if the Bumblebee toy had its crude interior redesigned to house a driver. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. vehicles forms G1 (1984) - Freightliner cabover RID (2001) - Hino Brandlier fire engine Armada (2002) - Semi-truck Cybertron (2005) - Futuristic fire truck/aircraft Tranformers - DOTM (2007 -11) - 1997 Peterbilt 379 semi-truck Transformers, the toyline based on the 2007 live-action movie, retains many size classes from before: Legends Class, at US$4. Beast Machines, for example, featured three different Cheetor toys. Consequently, if the powers that be release toys of two characters in the same line in the same size class, they're going to come out in the same size. A minority also lamented that the expensive animation budgeted the number of character models they could render, and thus led to a relatively small cast and an isolated setting. Fan Art. Parents Need to Know. Notably, the GAU-8/A Avenger gatling cannon mounted to the front end of the A-10 Thunderbolt II (Powerglide's alternate mode) alone is about the same size as a Volkswagen Beetle (Bumblebee).[1]. However, the term is not used, as one might assume, to refer to the size ratio between different characters and their surroundings, but to refer to size classes. Meanwhile, the Autobots have to guard Jack, Miko, and Raf, three kids who've . As a side note, Unicron has been established in some continuities as having already devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes which is truly ridiculous if one takes actual planetary/galactic scale into consideration. Triple Changers create a whole new set of problems. Newcomer Alpha Bravo is also undersized if his windows are anything to go by. With the Human Alliance assortment, Hasbro have taken a different approach by trying to keep the vehicles in scale (roughly 1:24) and adding accessories and other characters that turn into motorcycles for smaller cars such as Jazz, Skids and Mudflap. Hasbro could have made Jazz smaller, but since the main limit for a size class is the weight of a toy, not its size (as long as it fits into the standardized packaging, that is), they decided that scale problems are more acceptable than selling a tiny Deluxe Class toy when there's still room in the budget for more plastic. Characters often change size in a less explicit fashion when transforming. (Consisted of two Toys "R" Us exclusive Cybertron redecoes.) Optimus Prime is also usually shown as only a head or so shorter than Magnus (if that), which gets very strange when you realize that a redeco of Prime's toy forms but a small part of Magnus' robot mode. This concept is lampshaded in the credits of War for Cybertron, where Bumblebee pulls up, and the entire Autobot cast of the game step out of his passenger door, clown car style. Devastator is another serial offender, particularly given his frequent appearances in episodes animated by AKOM; his size ranges from shot to shot in "The Core" from being about twice as tall as Optimus to being so large that Prowl's head doesn't even come up to the top of his foot. All based on my head-canon of the G1 Cartoon From left to right, here are the crew members of Ark, minus rest of the Dinobots Optimus Prime-Freightliner Cab-over-engine Class 8 truck Bumblebee- Volkswagon Beetle The following year, the Generation-1-based War for Cybertron Trilogy continued the robot-mode scale trend, with the opening series Siege roughly scaling characters according to the original cartoon's animation models. Posted by 6 days ago. One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. So, probably close to or at 40ft. Even aside from their deformed penny-racer proportions, a Porsche 924 Micro Change toy is disproportionately tiny when compared to a Porsche 935 Diaclone toy. The disparity becomes even more obvious with Mini Vehicles such as Warpath (a tank) and Seaspray (a hovercraft), who should be many times their actual size. A to-scale Starscream in robot mode could kick Bumblebee around like a soccer ball. The Combaticons are wildly out of scale to each otherBlast Off's Space Shuttle mode should dwarf Swindle, with the others somewhere in between. So you were the guy who made this on /co/? For more information, please see our Their sizes is mesured as good as possible and I even manage to find a (proper) height in meters for each of them. Did Nucleon shrink the Transformers to human size, or are these just gargantuan vehicles? While the bug characters such as Waspinator and Inferno are obviously scaled-up, other characters are more subtly not quite the right size. That said, it does also mean that fans attempting to create "scale-accurate" collections do have more options: for instance, Starscream's releases at the Voyager pricepoint struggle to scale with the standard Deluxe-class cars, but his Leader-class incarnation is much closer. A few characters have "city" alternate modes. The same can be said for the Lamborghini Countach Breakdown, who should be the same size as Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, not significantly smaller. Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus are usually shown to be of a fairly similar height (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. A single Transformer's size is rarely consistent between artists. (Weirdly, the King Kong-like size of this toy became canon in one specific micro-continuity. Most notably, the additional kibble added to their bodies shows in glaring contrast to already-existing car parts, indicating that their aerial forms are quite undersized. Laserbeak- Cassette tape. Please check this timestamped video for further clarification: https://youtu.be/VKs7jisImJE?t=305. This is a height chart of the Prime characters with my own OC added and a pair of non-canon characters, that are real in the overall continuity. Sometimes, they are even out of scale in their own team; Bruticus's torso is an anti-aircraft truck, while one of his limbs is a Space Shuttle and another is a two-person offroad vehicle. Prime Master Class at US$6.99 Legends Class, at US$9.99 Deluxe Class, at US . Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Bountyan, Oct 23, 2011. Likewise, the Legends Class version of Revenge of the Fallen Arcee, a motorcycle, is more or less in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes. The series is linked to an extensive marketing line of toys, games, clothing, and accessories for kids. Ladies' Night It can even happen within the same issue without an artist change: In IDW's Spotlight: Soundwave, there's a scene where a human picks up Soundwave in his tape deck mode, which is smaller than a thick comic book slipcase in his hands. Someone took these comparison charts, and took a scan with Silas standing next to Starscream to get his height, and then calculated all the rest. Leader Class, at US$40. The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. Even when toys with considerable size differences are sold in the same pack, combinations such as a Leader-sized Optimus Prime (which would be in scale with Deluxe-sized Autobots with car alternate modes) with the much smaller Legends Class versions of Bumblebee and Jazz or the large Ultimate Bumblebee toy with the much smaller Deluxe-sized toys of Scorponok (who should be roughly the same size as Bumblebee) and Brawl (who should be considerably larger than either of them) are fairly common. There's also Blackjack and Powerglide, both of whom are smaller than their teammates when the former should be the same size and the latter larger. The movie universe characters aren't immune to scale issues, either; the Dinobots are way out of proportion compared to their real-life counterparts; such as Strafe (who is far too big for a Pteranodon compared to his allies), and Scorn (who isn't quite as problematic; though a real Spinosaurus had shorter legs, making his proportions more of an issue than actual scale). Really teeny passengers (notable exceptions are Grindor (in his original body), Sureshock, and High Wire, who become small one-man conveyances). Parents need to know that violence is the main concern in this latest addition to the Transformers franchise, which goes by the name Transformers Prime and Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters.Clashes between the Decepticons and the Autobots are explosive and include . In the video game Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Bruticus towers at least ten times as tall as any Protectobot, crushing them under his feet. In their interactions with adult anthropoids, the Transformer characters seem between twice and three times their height. Even so, it would take something along the lines of the grossly undersized depictions of Unicron (see below) to even begin to reasonably represent the colossal size of a transformed city. From left to right, Here is the unofficial chart the Generation 1 Decepticons. A much larger Deluxe version of Scorponok is also meant to interact with the same Blackout toy, despite the ridiculous scale disparity (and the fact that this means Blackout can have two Scorponoks of radically different size clipped to him simultaneously). Devastator in the Season One scale guide was approximately 2.5 times the height of Optimus Prime, but by Season Two he was somewhat less than twice Prime's height. The Transformers: Binaltech Asterisk and Kiss Players made use of Alternators sculpts, only with added human female driver figures which were woefully small compared to the cars they came with. Ravage-Cassette tape. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1. A few pages later, Laserbeak picks up Soundwave out of the human's hands, being barely able to hold the tape deck in his mouth, making Laserbeak about the size of a large dog (not counting the wings). For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. heightchart transformersprime Pretty self-explanatory here. However, the considerable and varied scale problems of Transformers still merit description. Instead, they're about the same size. Scale in Transformers is screwed up beyond belief. The Autobots also contend with the human terrorist organization,MECH, headed by former military operative Leland Bishop, akaSilas, who targets the Cybertronians for their technology, capturingBreakdown,Bumblebee, and Starscream for parts, and building adoppelgngercontrolled by Silas. The reintroduction of the Prime Wars Trilogy Legends Class (under the name "Core Class") is another barrel of monkeys, with the majority of them being smaller takes of "G1" characters based on larger toys, which only scale amongst their own. Conversely, if a new toy based on such a character is designed to be more in scale with other toys, such as 2008 Universe Ultra Class Powerglide or 2010 Transformers Voyager Class Sea Spray, some fans complain because they expect those new toys to reflect the original toys' sizes and, by extension, the depiction in fiction. In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. The cartoon, for example, shows Optimus, Megatron and Soundwave as about the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars as slightly shorter (though not as much as the toys are), and Minibots as smaller yet. Numerous characters are explicitly shown to shrink or expand at various times. Optimus Prime was the first Prime to raise his hand in greeting, uniting all the Primes and becoming their official mediator. Devastator is an immensely powerful warrior, and in that sense the combination of the Constructicons into a merged being is a huge success. The Animated franchise has its share of scale problems when comparing its toyline to the cartoon (not helped by multiple releases of some characters in different sizessee above), with several characters seeming roughly one size class too small, such as the Dinobots being a mix of one Voyager size and two Deluxes, Sentinel Prime looking rather diminutive as a Deluxe, and, most egregiously, Lugnut as a very squat Voyager who's shorter than even some Deluxes (as with Voyager-class Bulkhead, more of his mass went into his width, plus his weapon takes away some from his robot mode). Starscream's robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade legs, so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus. Any thoughts on how tall you think Megatron 2.0 is? In one story, the Pretender Cloudburst exited his shell, transformed into jet mode, and then his shell (and Landmine) boarded him as a passenger. After a few months (on and off) going through resource material OLD scale charts from Japan (both G1 and Masterforce/Victory), EVERY EPISODE from G1's More than Meets the Eye to Zone to the Manga of Battlestars this is as exhaustive as it gets! Interestingly, despite being markedly out of scale compared to each other, the Dinobots are actually quite well-scaled towards the other characters (with the exception of Strafe, as noted above); for example, Grimlock is the same scale to Optimus Prime as a real Tyrannosaurus is to a human. Mini Vehicles Warpath, Seaspray, and Powerglide are usually depicted as smaller than other Transformers in fiction, even though their alternate modes should have them towering over other characters. On occasion, characters are shown explicitly changing size when forming a Combiner. ), yet he's an ordinary-sized trooper in his robot form. Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or similar) alternate modes, but whose toys are different sizes. Similarly, the Constructicons, despite also coming from the Diaclone line, are too small, in particular Long Haul, whose alternate mode is an "earth mover" type of dump truck, which are gigantic in real life. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! It can also be supposed that they are hiding their mass somewhere (car style Transformers storing mass in their passenger compartments when in humanoid form, Starscream folding his wings flat, the buildings in a Titan collapsing to eliminate the spaces normally occupied by humans, boat-bots filling up or getting rid of the vast empty areas used to provide buoyancy) or puffing up with empty space, but at a certain point, things just get silly. The line eschewed Micromasters and Battle . share. 2y. Transformers: Prime is a multiple Daytime Emmy Award-winning CGI-animated television series that premiered on The Hub on November 26, 2010 with a five-part mini-series, which was followed by a full season beginning on February 11, 2011. Did Devastator shrink? Characters from any continuity are welcome however must be restyled to match the TFPrime universe. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jose Lopez, Character Design, Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Yasuhiro Motoda, Character Animator. although it saw a line-wide price increase in later waves. Since the size changing seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what Takara wants us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes. Sometimes the cartoon would show ordinarily-scaled characters such as Cyclonus, Thrust or Huffer carrying another Transformer in their cockpit, implying either a tiny passenger or a huge vehicle. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader Galvatron, whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus. Some can be attributed to animation errors, such as layering problems,123 but some "errors" were deliberate choices, for a variety of reasons. and our It was not shown until "Masters and Students". I personally think he is much taller than Optimus 2.0. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jason Park, background design for "Orion Pax, Part 3". Other toys with comparable alternate modes that are slightly out of scale with each other are Generation 1 Sunstreaker and Sideswipe (mentioned above), who have the same basic alternate mode (with a few differences), and Universe Legends Class Autobot Jazz and Rodimus. The Generations update of Cybertron Metroplex in the Legacy toyline similarly accomplished broadly show accurate scaling with regular Deluxe and Voyager class figures by bumping him up a size class or three with a new Titan class toy. most news articles say prime is 50ft tall, also interesting is that if you saw rotf in IMAX, the forest scene is in proper scale it would be in real life. In the otherwise fairly toy-scale-savvy Unicron Trilogy, Cybertron Metroplex and the other citizens of Gigantion are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes (they do at least scale decently to each other, though). The biggest case by far is Unicron. Obviously I own nothing. In Revenge of the Fallen, his size is based on the actual sizes of his components; the ROTF game inflates his overall scale to a far larger size. Within the fandom, the show quickly won fans over, an impressive feat for the chronological successor to the widely lovedTransformers Animated. In the case of the Headmaster figures, the Headmasters set a rather consistent scale to their toys, but one that raises a lot of questions. The 2018 Studio Series line was the first to do so: Deluxe Bumblebee is shorter than Deluxe Ratchet, but taller than Deluxe Jazz, with Deluxe Lockdown being taller than all three. 1.2k. One story even features Roadhandler carrying a human passenger in his vehicle form, as though he were a full-sized car. Imagine him trying to devour a star the size of Betelgeuse! The Combiner Wars releases of the classic crews made varying efforts to avoid this. The depiction of Unicron in Prime is another improvement - he is explicitly said to be the core of the planet Earth, which would be about 3470km. The list of authors can be seen in the page history. Furthermore, the Dreamwave miniseries Micromasters suggested that the Micromasters were scaled down to interact more easily with "smaller beings". The Japanese Galaxy Force release of Metroplex, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive redeco of the Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime toy to indicate the "correct" scale. Some versions of the Pretenders are shown to explicitly shrink when hiding in their human-sized outer shells. Transformers fiction often depicts characters to the same relative scale as the toys, which duplicates the intra-toyline problems described above. Autobots: Transformers: The Headmasters scale charts: Shouki: 5 m Razorclaw: 5.5 m Mindwipe: 5.5 m Zarak: ~5.5 m Highbrow: 5.5 m Springer: 6 m Weirdwolf: 6 m Skullcruncher: 6 m Optimus Prime: 6 m Rodimus Prime: 6 m Hardhead: 6 m Cerebros: 6 m Brainstorm: 6 m Galvatron: 6 m Ultra Magnus: ~7 m Grimlock: 7 m Cyclonus: 7 m Sixshot: 7 m Devastator: ~16 m Likewise, the Beast Era Maximals and Predacons possess roughly human-size bodies; yet when portrayed as vehicles on Cybertron ("Dawn of Future's Past", the Vehicons in Beast Machines), they feature seats and cockpits that, at their size, should be basically useless. Metrotitan, the Titan that ended up on Earth, was stated by military sources to be two miles tall. It also helps that there are no regular transformers in the shot of his eyeball. The most noticeable problem is Optimus Primal, who has an Ultra toy (the "level four" size, almost twice the size of the "level three" Mega next-largest Maximal toys), but is shorter than both Dinobot and Rhinox (both of whom are "level two" Deluxe sized toys). Other instances of multiple-size characters are more clear cut; the Spychanger incarnations of various 2001 Robots in Disguise characters, for instance, are simply scaled-down representations of the same characters in the same bodies, not meant to interact with the much larger "main" toys, as are the later "Legends of Cybertron" toys in Cybertron. Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other suffer from this problem. For example, on the cover of the first issue of the original Transformers comics series, Optimus Prime is extremely huge compared to the highway, bridge, and normal cars (Laserbeak is bigger than usual, too). Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Therefore, Rhinox is a rather small rhinoceros (he's roughly the correct size for a Sumatran rhinoceros, but seriously undersized for a white rhinoceros, the two living species of rhinos with two horns and more or less the same head shape as his beast-mode), and Optimus Primal is a roughly normal gorilla. Saber is also correctly the height of the Autobot cars, resulting in him being smaller than the original toy (despite the Star Saber mode being bigger). Scale in Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. Some scale problems are for the sake of characterization. A Blast Off (Space Shuttle) toy in scale with the Alternators toys would be 1.6 meters (5.1 feet) long, while a Broadside (aircraft carrier) toy at that scale would be over 12 meters (40 feet)! Instead, he turns his attentions to rebuilding the Omega Lock. Transformers Movie 1 15th Anniversary Multi-pack, at US$141.99 War for Cybertron Trilogy War for Cybertron: Siege . This page was last modified on 3 April 2023, at 16:04. An "earth mover"-type dump truck that should be about the same size as the excavator forms one tiny leg, while the other leg is formed by a bulldozer that should be slightly smaller. Fortress Maximus suffered a similar problem, shrinking in size even though he was explicitly rebuilt to be twice as tall as the average Transformer. There's also no known reason for e.g. report. Yet when Skywatch discovers Laserbeak at the end of the story, his head alone is suddenly the size of an adult human. This also presents clear problems with similar figures whose gimmick suggests interaction, such as Headmasters or Mini-Cons. are used in official product descriptions and press releases, and have since been adopted by the fandom. Megatron, however, is a pitifully tiny specimen of a T. rex. A rare exception is live-action Blackout, who came with a tiny (and correctly scaled) version of Scorponok. While this introduces a nice range of options for the discerning collector, it can also lead to some problems. The Autobots use the Omega Lock to restore Cybertron and settle back on their homeworld. The Autobots regroup followingUltra Magnus's arrival, whileSmokescreenrestores Optimus with theForge of Solus Prime. Since when were the kids as small as tires? Terms like "Legends scale", "Deluxe scale", "Voyager scale", etc. In panel art, characters are usually visible (albeit small) compared to him but even if they only came up to his foot, they'd still have to be dozens of meters taller than they really are to even show up on panel. . However, Metroplex, during his one, brief appearance, was depicted as being immensely larger, crushing Quintesson attack cruisers under foot without batting an eyelid. For example, Rumble and Frenzy vary in height relative to Soundwave. For example, Optimus Prime can hold both Sam and Mikaela in one hand. Transformers Prime Scale Chart + Screenshots I made a comparison for all the characters in Prime so far and their scale/heights. The depiction of Unicron's scale in Armada was (debatably) a slight improvement, in that physical interaction with normal beings was not attempted. Notably, Chromedome, if his driver is meant to be about the size of a human, is a rather oversized car, while the issues of Fortress Maximus being way too small for a city are magnified. Bulkhead is slightly shorter than Breakdown. Another criticism had been made towards the lack of weight given to character deaths beyond Cliffjumper, usually resulting in anticlimax. So either Fortress Maximus is supposed to tower over Scorponok, or Zarak grows in size during his transformation into Scorponok's head. I finished half of a 10th Anniversary piece for TF Prime! Here it is: https://www.deviantart.com/kaijuattack877/art/Transformers-Evolution-Megatron-Size-Chart-742007022?comments_view=1, It does not include Transformers Prime Megatron 2.0. Voyager Class, at US$20. Autobot scale chart for The Transformers: The Movie Chart of planets seen in The Movie relative to Earth Season 3 scale for Rodimus, Predaking, Trypticon and Metroplex Unicron compared to Jupiter, Metroplex next to the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge from Hobby Japan Seasons 1 & 2 scales published in The Ark The Headmasters cartoon
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